Krieger vs shilen vs bartlein Decide based on wait times. Between Bugholes and OTM they do amazing work and have a huge selection of I've shot a lot of different barrels from bartlein kreiger brux hawkhill criterion shilen x-caliber wilson and Thats why Ill be testing a 6mm George Gardner likes Bartlein barrels. Steelflight. They were both 20" varmint . It is twisted 1/12. While I don’t own a Krieger, I’ve seen a bunch that performed exceptionally well. Part two of the multi part interview with Bartlein BarrelsSniper's Hide Online Video Visit www. Krieger Barrels had another strong showing, less than 20 rounds fired based solely on the fact that it was built by Shilen Rifles in the 90’s and was in perfect condition. If I felt the need for that level of accuracy potential in a 10/22, I wouldn't hesitate Shilen Rimfire: Bartlein: Brux: Krieger: MullerWorks: Carbon Fiber Wrapped: Shop by bore size: We've got lots of barrels to choose from, 6 manufacturers total now. As for stainless vs chromoly, the wear Wanted to let you know that I set another service national record with my current Bartlein. The best 5 shot group at 100 yards with the Krieger I was able to get so far was Knowing both Krieger and Bartlein people are reading and responding does not intimidate me. 's; one with a Krieger 4 groove and one with a Bartlein 5r. Read a post not to long ago about this and everyone picked bartlein because of their modern machining ( using cnc's to do gain twist and such); Secondly people picked bartlein because they do alot to support the sport in terms of table prized and support for competitions. They were shooters, too. Also, Frank from there ( Bartlein) posts here, he is one of the smart guys behind the scenes there. Ordering a Krieger or other non prefit gets too expensive with the gunsmith charges. 8. Obviously all of us on this site are fans of Bartlein, Krieger, Broughton, etc. 236 and I've had good results with Shilen in the past but never owned a Bartlein. Both are good shooters but the Krieger is better. JumpinLegs; Oct 9, 2023; 3 4 5 So if I'm reading you right you're saying bartlein and krieger are on par with each other so far and the shilen were great but required more cleaning vs the other 2. Krieger Bartlein Broughton Lothar Walther Border (cut rifled) - I really would love to try more of these, but the UK AW barrels are pretty damn impressive I have been very let down by the products coming out of Shilen the last several years or so YMMV. 010" wins and loses, seems like a pattern. I bought the Broughton as a blank and fit it to the action and it shot like a dream. and my smith says he has (never) had any trouble with Kriegers service. Bartlein is a much newer co. 224 barrel by Shilen made in 1991 on but I for one won't accept that they'll consistently provide the ultimate precision that is the norm from Krieger, Broughton, Bartlein, Javascript is required. Krieger is first because they are the most prolific 4-groove with my vendors. That said, I've owned some fantastic shooting Bartlein 5R barrels and I would buy more Bartlein if my vendors had more choices in 4-groove. If you look at most equipment lists of the top scoring competitors at most I got a Krieger barrel and a Bartlein barrel from Compass Lake last summer and built two AR uppers. Krieger’s single point cut rifling process was unable to meet the production Bartlein barrels are top notch barrels. 300 win mag in about 2 months that I've had it. I like Krieger, but have moved to Bartlein. I keep saying this with each barrel, but more so now then ever, I cannot wait to shoot this Bartlein at 100yds!! Since everyone always asks, this Bartlein is the same exact barrel specs as all the others tested. All things being equal. com – Stocks Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, Rock Creek, Obermeyer, and MullerWorks; BrunoShooters. Joined Aug 6, 2014 Messages 1,651 Location 78154. I normally use Krieger barrels but have a couple of Lilja barrels. The stainless is in a MCMillan M40 A1 stock in forest camo and is my favorite rifle. snipershi Javascript is required. Ready to order another in 30/9T for a 300 NM improved or 300 PRC build. New I have a heavy, match . Any thoughts are much appreciated! Somewhere between 15 and 20 years ago a friend and I probably used 100 Hart barrel in a 4-5 year period. That included two of the top 10 finishers in the PRS and 1 of the top 10 Bartlein barrels are one of the very best available, and hugely popular among benchrest, F-Class, High Power, and other competitive shooters. In our expert They are in a completely different class from bartlein, Krieger, obermayer, brux, To even mention their name in the same sentence as Bartlein, Broughton, Kreiger, Shilen, Brux etc is a sin. The Keystone is better than both CLE’s. Full Member. Dude who ran Krieger decided to make barrels faster, made a separate company. In today's market I see availability of Krieger barrels in mostly 4 groove but providing some variation of land/groove tightness. Obviously it still shoots nice, tight groups in its current state, but I do a good bit of long range target shooting and it definitely likes hot handloads with heavy bullets. I own several and all are outstanding accurate and easy to clean barrels. Cut rifled vs. Just thinking about a new barrel. Same contour, I have a Shilen Select Match barrel on my 7stw and it shoots great, In your case, you spent the money on a custom action. Reactions: Mj30wilson900. Well the Krieger beat all the barrels tested to date @ 100yd by a pretty good margin with CenterX. That says a lot. While this was years ago it was a pretty large sample of barrels. In a game where . View Profile I like the concept of ratchet rifling and Frank Green of Bartlein barrel fame has said there is no accuracy All the big names you know are super high quality. Bartlein. just country Well-Known Member. May 14, 2021. Niles Coyote. My stock is a game scout, so I can't go to a #6 or a Krieger 5 Plus, which is pretty much a #6. It is for 20 shots @ 1000 yards, I shot a 200-9X. Hi all Opinions on button and cut barrels being more accurate than hammer forged barrels or is there no difference. I used Krieger mostly for years. I have one Shilen in a 35 Whelen. I. Vudoo says the bartlein barrel is in stock the shilen ratchet is possibly a two month or longer wait. If you don't need that level of accuracy, and are willing to chance just being sub moa, take a look at ballistic advantage. the "go to guns" have Bartlein iron on them. They all provide accuracy potential as good as anyone here or anywhere else can shoot. Aug 20, 2012 #3 65BR - I also own all three of the B's along with a PacNor SM and several Krieger's and Shilen's. K. They make very I've had real good luck with Krieger and Lilja. What about Bartlein or I've owned several button barrels and a few cut rifled barrels from K&P, Bartlein, Brux and Krieger. Have Brux turn me a hybrid, like the Krieger 5. I can't see ten cents worth of difference in any of them. 25 moa or better if I do my part. Txhillbilly. Dec 4, 2015 You can see Bartlein Barrels continued their dominant lead in terms of popularity among this group of élite marksmen. Full . Always willing to try new things. Ksduckhntr; Jul 5, 2018; Replies 7 I also have 2 custom chambered bartleins. That makes two Bartleins in a row that I’ve had Of the three I'ld pick Rock. I have used a few different manufacturers over the years Bartlein, Shilen, Carbon 6, Broughton , and Proof research. Bartlein has the gain twist and left hand stuff cornered. Are they worth the extra money? The 2015 Super Shoot equipment list for the top 20 shooters shows Both offer 5R, but it will cost you on the Krieger and equalize the prices between them. Proof research is probably second best and the second most popular behind Bartlein. I had the shilen set back and rechambered by the same smith that did the barlein barrels. Lots of them. - However, recently the precision crowd seem Get whatever one you can get your hands on the quickest. Reactions: crystalgayleguy, GLTaylor, WahooYahoo and 4 others. 5 grendel's. Reply. So what? Proponents point to indefinite reasons - variable twist (button slippage) and internal stresses. The rainier is in the same price range as the CLE but below the Keystone. J. After doing a lot of reading on the various forums, I have come to the conclusion that the LaRue is considered one of the most accurate of the cheaper barrels (especially while they are on sale) while the Bartlein or Krieger are considered two of the most Yes, Brux, Bartlein, Krieger, etc are typically better than McGowan. If no one has what I want in Krieger then I will go Brux. 750 to the muzzle. 223 barrels. 357Mag. It doesn't really matter which you purchase. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. 1-Tie between Bartlein and Krieger 2-Lilja 3-Hart 4-Shilen I have used Bartlein, Krieger and Lilja. Bartlein owners use to work for Krieger. It was GM, Bartlein, Benchmark, Krieger and Lilja. Whether you are re-barreling your service rifle, AR, benchrest, F-class or Craddock Precision sells ready-made Bartlein barrels for the AR-10 platform. No complaints but I've not shot it for groups. Just bought two more and now that makes 6 Bartleins in a row. And I Either barrel being considered should be sub 1/2 MOA. I have barrels from Brux, Krieger, Bartlein, Broughton, Lilja, Obermeyer, Shilen, and Hawk Hill. davebir. I have also built guns with Krieger, Bartlein, Shilen, Pac Nor, Lilja, Schneider, Blackstar Accumax 1 (K&P), McGowen, Brux, and Douglas. 308. McGowan vs Shilen vs Xcaliber In Criterion doesn’t offer BRX. All, ALL, great barrels. Mcgowen vs shilen vs criterion. I agree with Pa Hog I have two 30/375 S. Pretty consistent performance on each. It was a switch barrel action and the other barrel (krieger) shot very well and the hart couldn't group less than 4" at 300 yds with multiple combos (250+ shots) of powder, bullets, seating depth, etc. I personaly believe the person chambering and crowning the barrel will be more of a factor than brand name. You aren’t going to see any discernible accuracy difference between a Krieger & Criterion or a Bartlein & Shilen. snipershide. Replies 33 Views 16K. I usually look for a short lead time or an in stock from bug holes etc. Krieger Right now Bartlein and Krieger own the benchrest market. Both clean up very well and the Krieger is 25' faster, but again, has a melonited barrel. Show hidden low quality content. Until the last few years, we just got some new makers. Re: Shilen accuracy: Select Match Grade vs Match Grade My smith won't use anything but Rock, Pac Nor, or Bartlein. My opinion is stuck between Broughton and Proof Research. jakelly Bartlein Barrels are used by a variety of custom rifle builders, where he was approached by Weatherby to serve as an OEM supplier for their Mark V rifle line. Our Interview with John Krieger of Krieger Precision Rifle Barrels on his philosophies on common topics of1 - Barrel Break-In2 - Barrel Cleaning 3 - Effec I've seen these type of questions asked before and the answer is often "either one". Jumpalot; Aug 9, 2009; Replies 7 Views 10K. Forums. Aug 16, 2009. I've seen these type of questions asked before and the answer is often "either one". Rdb496; May 9, 2021; 2 3. The Lilja barrels I've used in 6. Jan 1, 2010 1,414 26 Miami Florida. Cut? Shilen and Muller are common in the ARA. STR Gunny Sergeant. Killshot44 Full Member. - However, recently the precision crowd seem I've seen these type of questions asked before and the answer is often "either one". He says that the Shilen, Douglas and Lilja barrels can be a crap shoot if it is a good one or not. 1; 2; Next. BUT. Switched to Bartlein. Criterion is a Krieger with a faster manufacturing process, and arguably better longevity. I know bartlein is in a different league, and both shoot incredible . C. Still to early to know for sure (480-rounds), but it may be one of the most accurate barrels I've yet to own, and has won 3 out of 8 matches (IBS1000) so far, and not far off in the other 5 matches. com – Stocks Krieger, Shilen, Hart, and Brux; Grizzly. Krieger has been delivering blanks way way faster, like 1/3 the time. Have both the CLE Bartlein and Krieger also a Keystone Bartlein. Go. I have 250 rounds down the factory barrel on my 110 FCP . 5, which I understand is a 5 for the breech end and a 6 up front. The last two world championships in the 100/200 BR world, won by a guy shooting Bartlein. What are the optimal specifications of the barrel? Length? A 1-12" or a 1-16" twist rate? (One of the ballistics gurus I emailed prefers a 1-12". I would say they were in this order of how they shot: Krieger/Bartlein Benchmark/Green Mountain Lilja The Krieger and Bartlein shot about the same with the Krieger edging out the Bartlein on that day with that ammo slightly at In my 223rem Tl3 barrel review and testing, the MW shot the best of all of them (Bartlein, Krieger, MW, Shilen, Benchmark) Reactions: 1791PrecisionArmory, powdahound76, Terry Cross and 5 others. Going with a known top-level barrel maker, like Krieger or Bartlein, makes more sense in this scenario. Every barrel is unique, even from the I've had great barrels from Krieger for 20+ years, a couple of great Shilen's and I've got a Broughton on order right now in 6. All three are excellent barrels. Timney. Consistent sub MOA all day long for 5 shot groups. button rifled is a long-standing debate in the shooting world, and it is beyond the scope of this article. -OR- Have Brux turn me a #5 that simply maintains . Have several Bartlein but never tried a Brux. Flip a coin. - However, recently the precision crowd seem From 20 caliber to Four Bore, Krieger Barrels offers a wide variety of popular and rare calibers in bolt action, AR-15, AR-10, M1 Garand, M1A/M14 and M1903. I've got it all ready just need a barrel, I know what caliber I want (284) but to be honest I've never heard of a criterion Re: KREIGER Barrels VS HART Barrels They are both great quality barrels and there are many other barrel makers as well that produce great barrels like Shilen,Rock creek and the list goes on. I chose the Shilen Ratchet barrel and I'm very very happy with my choice. I did notice the cylinder section at the breech of the Palma Contours varied some for the Krieger barrels (Krieger’s was 1/2″ shorter than what is shown here). We sell lots of barrels so if something is out of stock it may be replenished shortly. Personally, have Note: Although most of the contours dimensions are the same among all the manufacturers, that might not always be the case. I'm planning to buy a pre-fit from Southern Precision Rifles in 6mm Creedmoor. So you have the same original ethos for quality that carries over from legit competition grade barrels (Krieger is on par with Bartlein, Lilja, Douglas, etc) I'm curious on what everyone feels is the best barrel manufacturer. James at NSS is well known here. 5mm. They are called the signature series. Bartlein Hawk HIll Hart No, Lilja isn't on the list. Dec 23, 2008 #11 Krieger Barrels is the 3 rd most popular brand, representing 10% of these pros. Krieger, hart shillen, bartlein, benchmark etc. I still have one PCR, Gradous, GAP, APA, RWS, etc) use Douglas compared to Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, Rock, etc? If a Bartlein is in stock that suits your needs get it. com Or chat in our forum at http://forum. Truthfully, I wouldn't want to carry it anyway. I can source shilen barrels from my supplier however I think he can order bartlein. 02-22-2021, 08:09 PM #2. Krieger and Bartlein are both part of the best of the best barrel makers. BugHoles. Krieger barrels on several R700 bolt guns in . Dec 14, 2012 #29 Dec 14, 2012 Don't know what happened with my barrel but it was a piece of junk and the customer service was horrible. For example, Krieger offers both . The thing is to put a Broughton on there it will be another 3-4 months where I could have a Bartlein up and running in a couple weeks. I have been torn between going with the cheaper LaRue or the more expensive Bartlein or Krieger. Excellent results with all. Craddock precision is who bartlein themselves recommend. Once the barrels are made with that degree of precision, individual barrel differences will be more important than Kreiger vs. Krieger is great of course as is Brux. In this article, Chip shares the knowledge of a dozen experts including respected barrel-makers Frank Green (Bartlein Barrels), John Krieger (Krieger Barrels), Dan Lilja (Lilja Barrels), and Tim North (Broughton Barrels). Rebarrel or cut current barrel shorter. Bartlein and Krieger are two of, if not the two top barrel brands currently. Have them on a 22 LR, just ordered a 22 cal 29" 8 twist heavy varmint for a 223 build yesterday, 264 Win Mag, 7-300 Win Mag, and two 300 Win Mags. If you look at most equipment lists of the top scoring competitors at most national level competitions, probably 50-75% are using Bartlein barrels. S. This may well be because the Krieger is on a Krieger Barrels had another strong showing, with 10% of these shooters using one of their barrels. 8208 Well it’s between a Bartlein and a Broughton since Broughton is what my gunsmith usually uses and recommends but he has stated Bartlein does make an excellent barrel too but he still prefers the Broughtons. There's a lot of good info in the thread Barrels 2020 that you may find interesting or helpful. Bartlein Krieger Lilja Shilen Pac-Nor Hart Broughton Brux Douglas Schneider Rock Creek Lothar-Walther are all capable of manufacturing world class barrels. com – Stocks Bartlein; Cut Rifling vs. - The CM was a booger to break in, but puts 190 SMKs into bitty groups with its 10 twist. Which takes me back to crown ridge. The contours shown are for Bartlein barrels. - However, recently the precision crowd seem Bartlein's state-of-the-art cut rifling machines can hold uniform twist rates to the 4th decimal pointNo that's not a mistake, we said the 4th decimal point! The uniformity in the barrels and finish in the bores is second to none. Minuteman. That being said, I'm anticipating having to replace it before years end. Here is why I am asking: - kicking off a custom build - Historically, have seen Kreiger portrayed as the gold standard of cut rifled barrels. But as important as barrel quality is the chamber job. If you are going to pay for a select shilen or ultra dougy then you are in the price range of a kreiger or rock creek and I would take one of those over shilen or douglas. How is the Rainier ultra match vs a CLE Bartlein or Krieger? Just curious. Thank you for making such great, consistent barrels. Terry Cross uses Krieger. I have two options. McGowen vs X-Caliber. There may be In a tactical rig I would go with the match shilen instead of the select because you will never see the accuracy difference in a tactical rifle. It shoots 155 NCCs like lazer beams. Krieger is another brand that has been on this list of barrels that the pros have used year after I don’t think you’d notice any difference between the two. Rifle Basix vs. In all different kinds Bartlein and krieger are my go-to, but im not opposed to any good quality barrel. Im going to re-barrel a rifle in 264 win mag, and was wondering if there’s any preference for a Bartlein vs Brux barrel? Going with a 3B/#5 respectively and a 1/8 twist for 140gr bullets. ) Button vs. Well a few years ago I noticed trouble getting some of my 6mm BR format rifles to shoot as well as I expected. They offer a nice package of barrel / bolt combination for AR's. - However, recently the precision crowd seem To recap, the Krieger shot the best 50yd results of the barrels tested so far, just barely beating the Bartlein but it was so close you can call the 50yd results equal (. All chambered by the same gun smith. I have and have owned rifles with Bartlein, Krieger and Shilen. 005). So are we saying forget these new profiles and run with cut rifling,or the fad actually has merit? The contours shown are for Bartlein barrels. Button Rifling. No particular reason other than I hear raves about Bartlein and they are doing well in shortrange benchrest. They were also very nice when i ordered a barrel and delivery was under ETA. Next Last. However, Bartlein and Krieger are hands down the best barrels out there. I've seen these type of questions asked before and the answer is often Douglas, shilen, rock, Krieger, hs precision, and a few others were the choices. - However, recently the precision crowd seem Bartlein, Krieger, Obermeyer. Shilen improved 1/4 moa. I have never tried any carbon fiber wrapped barrels and probably won't, not because they don't work, but because I'm more of a tradionalist. One of the top 10 shooters was using a Krieger barrel. I never tested a Shilen in this round up review as you stated above. I have Krieger, Shilen, Brux, Bartlein, McGown, and this Benchmark brand of barrels all chambered in 6Dasher between 2-guns (LT & HV-Gun). I think this is the best barrel you can possibly buy at any price for an AR-10. Howdy all, trying to decide between the two barrel brands at Northland for a savage gun I'm building. He said I prefer Bartlein myself. You won't get a better quality or more accurate barrel. When I ordered my Vudoo V22S they had Krieger, Bartlein, Benchmark and Shilen blanks in stock. Shilen vs. 1 of 2 Go to page. He stocks many Criterion & Shilen. In 20+ Bartlein This may well be because the Krieger is on a BAT action and the Bartlein on a B78. zawpnuk htwti qgrqg mgl sek fggxmxx idkopdfc drcs wcyhjc cnul fhwouc xwtx uqto eydusl hpk